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cpan-raku New module released to CPAN! Tomty (0.0.10) by 03MELEZHIK 00:38
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Geth_ ¦ problem-solving: Kaiepi assigned to jnthn Issue Attributes could use more support for reflection github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/174 02:52
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Demos[m] how can I constrain the return type of a method stub in a role 04:20
so that implementations must supply a method with the correct return type
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moritz I don't think you can 06:03
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poohman hello all 09:33
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poohman m: my $a="asassa";$a.grep(/\H/).Str 09:34
camelia ( no output )
poohman m: my $a="asassa";dd $a.grep(/\H/).Str
camelia "asassa"
poohman does it make sense to use the filter as used in my example above 09:35
I just want to ensure the string $a is not empty before I try to split it etc 09:36
or is there a better way to do it
dakkar `chars($a)` ? 09:38
AlexDaniel m: my $a = "asassa"; if $a eq '' { say 'string is empty' } else { say 'string is not empty' }
camelia string is not empty
AlexDaniel m: my $a = ""; if $a eq '' { say 'string is empty' } else { say 'string is not empty' }
camelia string is empty
dakkar or that, even more explicit
poohman Im trying to avoid the if statement 09:39
AlexDaniel why?
dakkar does `$a.grep(/\H/)` mean "take $a, pretend it's a 1-element list, and remove all elements that, considered as strings, don't contain a character that's not horizontal whitespace"?
poohman just want to see how far I can get without ifs and for loops 09:40
dakkar: yes - I was going for something like that
dakkar `$a.grep(*.chars)[0]`
at least say what you mean ☺ 09:41
if a string only consisting of horizontal whitesparce is to be considered empty, then your initial expression is as good as any (although I'd still use `[0]` instead of `.Str` at the end) 09:42
your expression would produce an empty string when given a ' ' 09:43
which may or may not be what you want
maybe having a Nil would be clearer
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poohman ok let me try these 09:45
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poohman hi, dont we have a filter method for the list class 12:32
moritz it's called grep 12:33
in good ol' UNIX tradition
poohman but grep seems to need a matcher - can it also work on a bool returned by some function
moritz the matcher can be any function or code block, yes 12:34
m: sub larger-five ($x) { $x > 5 }; say (1..10).grep(&larger-five) 12:35
camelia (6 7 8 9 10)
moritz or simply say (1..10).grep({ $_ > 5 })
m: say (1..10).grep({ $_ > 5 })
camelia (6 7 8 9 10)
moritz m: say (1..10).grep(* > 5) # shorter way to write it
camelia (6 7 8 9 10)
chloekek Anything that works with ~~, including lambdas that returns Booleans. 12:36
moritz I must say that smart-matching is pretty cool abstraction 12:37
m: say (1..10).grep(2..5) # non-code smart-matcher
camelia (2 3 4 5)
moritz m: say (1..10, 'A' .. 'F').grep(Int) # non-code smart-matcher 12:38
camelia ()
moritz m: say (1..10, 'A' .. 'F').flat.grep(Int) # non-code smart-matcher
camelia (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10)
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poohman thanks 12:38
let me play around
chloekek p6: #`「 And not to mention 」 say <a b c d>.grep('a' | 'c')
camelia Don't know setting RESTRICTED
at gen/moar/ModuleLoader.nqp:257 (/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/lib/Perl6/ModuleLoader.moarvm:previous_setting_name)
from gen/moar/ModuleLoader.nqp:261 (/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/lib/…
chloekek LMAO
moritz m: say <a b c d>.grep('a' | 'c') 12:39
camelia (a c)
moritz better
poohman m: sub larger-five ($x) { so $x > 5 }; say (1..10).grep(&larger-five) 12:42
camelia (6 7 8 9 10)
poohman m: sub larger-five ($x) { so ($x > 5) }; say (1..10).grep(&larger-five)
camelia (6 7 8 9 10)
chloekek Why would you so the result of >?
poohman I was just checking if it works at all 12:43
i have a function in my grep which returns a boolean
Cannot use Bool as Matcher with '.grep'. Did you mean to use $_ inside a block?
im trying to reproduce this with an example 12:44
moritz this is to catch a common error
if you write
@list.grep($_ > 5) 12:45
and $_ has a numeric value outside the block, this calls @list.grep(True) or @list.grep(False)
chloekek p6: say ('01',).grep(1) 12:46
camelia (01)
MasterDuke you know, that's meant to catch a common error, but i think several people have had trouble understanding what the error message is trying to say. maybe it needs rewording
chloekek p6: say ('01',).grep(<1>) 12:47
camelia ()
chloekek So string equality takes precedence in case of IntStr.
poohman m:0..20.grep($_>5) 12:48
evalable6 (exit code 1) WARNINGS for /tmp/GjqJVYGGN8:
poohman, Full output: gist.github.com/78f1061ce53ec336d9...2cd8035c3b
chloekek Oh, no it depends on the LHS type.
poohman m:0..20.grep({$_>5}) 12:49
evalable6 (exit code 1) WARNINGS for /tmp/JaILNDyhGG:
Useless use of ".." in expression "0..20.grep({$_>5})" in sink context (line 1)
Seq objects are not valid endpoints for Ranges
in block <unit> at /tmp/JaILNDyhGG line 1
poohman m:[0..20].grep({$_>5}) 12:50
poohman m:say [0..20].grep({$_>5})
evalable6 (6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20)
poohman m:say [0..20].grep($_>5)
evalable6 (exit code 1) Use of uninitialized value of typ…
poohman, Full output: gist.github.com/765aa417acf3fabcf2...eabf87da6e
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poohman m: my @c =["a;b;c;d","b;c;d;e","c;d;e;f"];my $d =["c;d;e"]; @c.grep({($_.split(";"))[0] eq ($d.split(";"))[0]}).map(*.say) 13:20
camelia c;d;e;f
poohman my @c =["a;b;c;d","b;c;d;e","c;d;e;f"];my $d =["c;d;e"];sub check($d) {($_.split(";"))[0] eq ($d.split(";"))[0]}; @c.grep(&check($d)).map(*.say) 13:21
m:my @c =["a;b;c;d","b;c;d;e","c;d;e;f"];my $d =["c;d;e"];sub check($d) {($_.split(";"))[0] eq ($d.split(";"))[0]}; @c.grep(&check($d)).map(*.say) 13:22
evalable6 (exit code 1) Cannot resolve caller split(Any:U, Str:D); Routine does not have any candidates. Is only the proto defined?
in sub check at /tmp/Kb1619kny3 line 1
in block <unit> at /tmp/Kb1619kny3 line 1
poohman where am I going wrong here - I have simply copied the block and made a function called check 13:23
sorry if it is a bit illegible 13:24
MasterDuke the `$_` in check() is undefined
poohman ok moritz had used a $x 13:25
m:my @c =["a;b;c;d","b;c;d;e","c;d;e;f"];my $d =["c;d;e"];sub check($d) {($_.split(";"))[0] eq ($d.split(";"))[0]}; @c.grep(&check($d)).map(*.say)
evalable6 (exit code 1) Cannot resolve caller split(Any:U, Str:D); Routine does not have any candidates. Is only the proto defined?
in sub check at /tmp/1IrXdPVCAz line 1
in block <unit> at /tmp/1IrXdPVCAz line 1
poohman sorry didnt mean to paste it again here 13:26
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poohman so the first argument will be assumed automatically? 13:27
AlexDaniel p6: #`「 And not to mention 」 say <a b c d>.grep('a' | 'c') 13:28
camelia Don't know setting RESTRICTED
at gen/moar/ModuleLoader.nqp:257 (/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/lib/Perl6/ModuleLoader.moarvm:previous_setting_name)
from gen/moar/ModuleLoader.nqp:261 (/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/lib/…
AlexDaniel p6: #`「 And not to mention 」
camelia Don't know setting RESTRICTED
at gen/moar/ModuleLoader.nqp:257 (/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/lib/Perl6/ModuleLoader.moarvm:previous_setting_name)
from gen/moar/ModuleLoader.nqp:261 (/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/lib/…
AlexDaniel e: #`「 And not to mention 」
poohman m: sub larger-five ($x) { $x > 5 }; say (1..10).grep(&larger-five)
camelia (6 7 8 9 10)
AlexDaniel chloekek: that's weird isn't it?
MasterDuke m: my @c =["a;b;c;d","b;c;d;e","c;d;e;f"];our $d =["c;d;e"];sub check($c) {($c.split(";"))[0] eq ($d.split(";"))[0]}; @c.grep(&check).map(*.say)
camelia c;d;e;f
AlexDaniel e: run <perl6 --setting=RESTRICTED> ‘#`「 And not to mention 」’ 13:29
evalable6 (exit code 1) 04===SORRY!04=== Er…
AlexDaniel, Full output: gist.github.com/d93f6ebbe4e59108a7...b0b42dcab1
AlexDaniel e: run <perl6 --setting=RESTRICTED>, ‘#`「 And not to mention 」’
evalable6 (exit code 1) Could not open #`「 And not to m…
AlexDaniel, Full output: gist.github.com/14e499920be935004d...c82246a776
AlexDaniel e: run <perl6 --setting=RESTRICTED -e>, ‘#`「 And not to mention 」’
evalable6 (exit code 1) Don't know setting RESTRICTED
AlexDaniel, Full output: gist.github.com/014765a5483db312a0...1a524024e8
AlexDaniel 6c: run <perl6 --setting=RESTRICTED -e>, ‘#`「 And not to mention 」’
sorry for botspam x)
MasterDuke that `$d` doesn't need to be `our`, it can be `my`
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/e6ecfb2102e3df9d6b...05fd789c6b
AlexDaniel bisect: run <perl6 --setting=RESTRICTED -e>, ‘#`「 And not to mention 」’ 13:30
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by exit code (old=2015.12 new=9e19c1a). Old exit code: 0
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/93b706af05d21c933b...02b65c3d9c
AlexDaniel, (2020-03-06) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/9f...bd03f6121f
poohman m: my @c =["a;b;c;d","b;c;d;e","c;d;e;f"];our $d =["c;d;e"];sub check($c,$e) {($c.split(";"))[0] eq ($e.split(";"))[0]}; @c.grep(&check($d)).map(*.say)
camelia Too few positionals passed; expected 2 arguments but got 1
in sub check at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
AlexDaniel lizmat: you missed RESTRICTED setting, which I think still exists?
poohman MasterDuke: what if I want to pass $d 13:31
AlexDaniel chloekek: can you file a bug report?
lizmat AlexDaniel: in what sense ?
re QX ? 13:32
AlexDaniel lizmat: or there's something else wrong, see output on all releases gist.github.com/e6ecfb2102e3df9d6b...05fd789c6b bisected (2020-03-06) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/9f...bd03f6121f
MasterDuke m: my @c =["a;b;c;d","b;c;d;e","c;d;e;f"];our $d =["c;d;e"];sub check($c,$e) {($c.split(";"))[0] eq ($e.split(";"))[0]}; @c.grep(&check.assuming($d)).map(*.say)
camelia c;d;e;f
poohman assuming()?? - ok need to read up on that 13:33
lizmat AlexDaniel: is there a ticket already?
AlexDaniel lizmat: just asked chloekek to make one :) they discovered it 13:34
m: #`「 hello 」
camelia Don't know setting RESTRICTED
at gen/moar/ModuleLoader.nqp:257 (/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/lib/Perl6/ModuleLoader.moarvm:previous_setting_name)
from gen/moar/ModuleLoader.nqp:261 (/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/lib/…
poohman thanks
chloekek What is RESTRICTED? 13:41
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moritz an attempt to forbid IO, so that people don't destroy camelia's environment through IRC commands :D 13:43
AlexDaniel chloekek: it is also absolutely useless
and should be removed so that people don't use it x) 13:44
moritz well, it prevents accidental damage 13:46
chloekek p6: say SETTING:: 13:48
camelia PseudoStash.new(($! => Nil, $/ => Nil, $=pod => [], $_ => (Any), $¢ => Nil, &REACT => &REACT, &REACT-ONE-WHENEVER => &REACT-ONE-WHENEVER, &await => &await, &infix:<≼> => &infix:<≼>, &infix:<≽> => &infix:<≽>, &infix:«(<+)» => &infix:«(<+)»…
lizmat hmmm... that's still showing implementation detail 13:49
chloekek p6: run('perl6', '-e', '#`[ foo ]') 13:50
camelia ( no output )
AlexDaniel p6: run('perl6', '-e', 'say 42') 13:51
camelia 42
AlexDaniel moritz: do we even have restricted setting?
IIRC this was illegal previously
chloekek p6: run('ping', '-c', '1', 'raku.org') 13:52
camelia PING raku.org ( 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=112 ms

--- raku.org ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = …
chloekek Probably want an actual sandbox lol.
AlexDaniel chloekek: that's right. For whateverables I'm a bit more permissive because network access is something we need regularly for bisecting stuff, but yeah 13:53
6c: run <perl6 --setting=RESTRICTED -e>, ‘run <echo hello>’
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/cdfefb2c7f43fb4777...9dbd6009e3
AlexDaniel 6c: run <perl6 --setting=RESTRICTED -e>, ‘run <true>’ 13:54
moritz m: run('ping', '-c', '1', 'raku.org') 13:55
camelia PING raku.org ( 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=112 ms

--- raku.org ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = …
moritz AlexDaniel: seems like it's b0rked indeed
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/ce721df02926a613d0...c1fc2ab3a7
AlexDaniel moritz: since 6.d release I think
I'm a bit confused as to why it exits unsuccessfuly? 13:56
but yeah RESTRICTED is broken since 2018.11 13:57
I did notice it at some point, maybe I even created a ticket…
lizmat: just nuke the whole restricted setting thing then x)
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chloekek Something like this is probably better done in the VM level. 14:06
Maintaining a large list of high-level subroutines is more difficult than maintaining a small list of low-level instructions. 14:07
lizmat especially since the RESTRICTED setting does not inhibit "use nqp" and using nqp:: ops 14:08
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chloekek Speaking of RESTRICTED, is there a safe way to extract POD from untrusted modules? 14:16
MasterDuke nope. POD can run arbitrary code
chloekek Ok then I’ll run it under firejail.
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AlexDaniel chloekek: not so much instructions but syscalls, yeah 14:20
chloekek: then you don't even need a vm and can just use seccomp 14:21
firejail does allow you to use seccomp whitelists, I think?
lizmat: it's not just nqp, it's *everything* else too. You can't make it secure without whitelisting 14:22
chloekek I have no idea.
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AlexDaniel lizmat: nativecall is another obvious way to work around it, but I'm pretty sure there are many other creative ways 14:22
chloekek I want to rewrite CRAI, index much more data from META6.json, modules and resources, and make the web interface more featureful especially with rendered POD. 14:23
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AlexDaniel chloekek: what's crai? 14:23
timotimo raku's cpan equivalent ithink?
chloekek It’s an app I wrote that downloads Raku distributions and indexes their metadata, for each version (not just latest). 14:24
It’s not a hosting or mirroring service, just displays information about packages hosted on CPAN and GitHub.
AlexDaniel niiice
and it works with github modules too?
does it go through git history or something?
lizmat notes that AlexDaniel doesn't read the weekly :-) 14:25
chloekek Yes, it indexes each tag, or if no tags are present then it indexes whatever HEAD happens to be when it comes along.
lizmat afk for a few hours&
chloekek For example: crai.foldr.nl/search?q=Acme%3A%3A 14:26
The code base is a mess and there are some things in the process that I want to do differently, and I’m more experienced with Raku now.
AlexDaniel lizmat: ah, I see it now. In this case I read the first sentence, realized I have no idea what Nix is and skipped that paragraph altogether :D
chloekek raku-nix is generated from the database that CRAI automatically maintans. 14:28
AlexDaniel chloekek: so it's like modules.raku.org/ but potentially better?
I don't think I get it :)
chloekek The main goal is to compute URLs + hashes for all versions’ tarballs. 14:29
AlexDaniel right 14:30
chloekek But then, might as well index META6.json and render POD and provide search, because that’s useful too.
AlexDaniel chloekek: any reason not to archive the actual code?
chloekek The code remains in the tarballs.
The tarballs remain on the server.
AlexDaniel ah 14:31
chloekek So technically, it’s accessible. :)
AlexDaniel that's freaking awesome
chloekek: are feature requests welcome? :) Can you somehow raise a warning if a module disappears?
chloekek Sure make a GitHub issue.
AlexDaniel like if the github repo is deleted, for example 14:32
chloekek What’s fun is that if the GitHub repo gets deleted, you can still download the tarball from database.crai.foldr.nl, just haven’t make TLS work yet (although shouldn’t be needed since you have the hash) 14:33
AlexDaniel chloekek: yes yes, but it's currently an issue that we notice repo deletions a bit too late and can't do much about them
chloekek Computing a set difference between each run should not be difficult 14:34
Actually, having “run” as a concept is quite useful I think. Each run has its own logs, and a list of archives it found. Those can then be compared with other runs over time.
AlexDaniel having tarballs is awesome, but also knowing when something was deleted is somewhat critical too
chloekek (SELECT meta_name FROM run_distributions WHERE run_id = ?1) EXCEPT (SELECT meta_name FROM run_distributions WHERE run_id = ?1 - 1) 14:36
Being able to do that would be cool.
This would find new distributions. Swap the operands to EXCEPT to find disappeared distributions. 14:37
AlexDaniel chloekek: github.com/chloekek/crai/issues/17 if it makes sense 14:39
chloekek Thanks! 14:40
AlexDaniel chloekek++ looks very cool and promising, thanks!
chloekek Something that irks me is that there are archives that have the same name and version. 14:43
AlexDaniel weekly: chloekek++ kept working on CRAI. If you by any chance missed it in the previous weekly, take a look! crai.foldr.nl/
notable6 AlexDaniel, Noted! (weekly)
chloekek They come from different commits on master, with no version bump between them.
I guess the way to sort those would be by commit topology.
But that would be really painful to implement. 14:44
Sorting them by retrieval date would be a lot easier.
AlexDaniel chloekek: you can also just show warnings for any weird thing you can automatically detect. I always loved how debian tracker lists a bunch of stuff that is wrong with the package 14:46
chloekek: like tracker.debian.org/pkg/rakudo 14:48
chloekek: the stuff under “action needed”
chloekek Great idea! 14:49
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chloekek brb 14:53
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timotimo that's lintian? or debchecker or something? 14:59
AlexDaniel timotimo: not sure, it's a combination of things maybe? IIRC it does complain when buildd fails, and I guess that's separate? 15:01
timotimo quite possible
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guifa2 lizmat: sorry to jump back to yesterday but would that BOOTHash vs Hash be a bug or me screwing up? (basically, "should guifa file a bug report?") 17:48
chloekek p6: say DateTime.distribution 17:49
camelia No such method 'distribution' for invocant of type 'DateTime'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
chloekek p6: say DateTime.^distribution 17:50
camelia No such method 'distribution' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
chloekek Is it possible to get the distribution of a module?
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lizmat guifa2: that's the thing: I don't see where it is actually trying to call "package_at_key" in the stacktrace 18:18
chloekek: nine might know
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cpan-raku New module released to CPAN! Gnome::Gtk3 (0.27.4) by 03MARTIMM 20:03
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Geth_ doc: Kaiepi++ created pull request #3318:
Document Metamodel::DefiniteHOW
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