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ryn1x p6: sub foo ( --> (Bool, Str) ) { return (True, "Success") } 01:43
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Malformed return value
at <tmp>:1
------> sub foo ( --> (Bool, Str) ) { return (True, "Success"
ryn1x Can I do a type signature like this in someway? I want to return a typed 2 tuple (list?) 01:44
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uzl[m] m: subset Type where { $_[0] ~~ Bool && $_[1] ~~ Str }; sub foo ( --> Type ) { return (True, "Success") } 02:09
camelia ( no output )
uzl[m] m: subset Type where { $_[0] ~~ Bool && $_[1] ~~ Str }; sub foo ( --> Type ) { return (True, "Success") }; say foo() ~~ Type;
camelia True
uzl[m] ryn1x: ^ Probably like this? 02:10
ryn1x cool thx
Is this how I would type against a Class that does a Role? sub foo($x where {$x does SomeRole}) 02:11
sjn m: sub a (--> Pair) { return True => "yes" }; say a.perl 02:13
camelia :True("yes")
sjn no support for parameterized Pair though 02:14
ryn1x hmm... but can I assign the pair like I can a list...
uzl[m] m; role A {}; class B does A {}; sub f( $x where {$_.does(A)} ) {}; f B 02:15
ryn1x p6: my $a; my $b; ($a, $b) = sub a (--> Pair) { return True => "yes" };
camelia ( no output )
uzl[m] m: role A {}; class B does A {}; sub f( $x where {$_.does(A)} ) {}; f B
camelia ( no output )
ryn1x p6: my $a; my $b; ($a, $b) = sub a (--> Pair) { return True => "yes" }; say $a, $b
camelia &a(Any)
uzl[m] m; role A {}; class B {}; sub f( $x where {$_.does(A)} ) {}; f B
m: role A {}; class B {}; sub f( $x where {$_.does(A)} ) {}; f B
camelia Constraint type check failed in binding to parameter '$x'; expected anonymous constraint to be met but got B (B)
in sub f at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
ryn1x m: role A {}; class B does A {}; sub f( $x where {$_.does(A)} ) {}; f B 02:17
camelia ( no output )
ryn1x m: role A {}; class B does A {}; sub f( $x where {$_.does(A)} ) { say "worked" }; f B
camelia worked
uzl[m] m: role A {}; class B {} does A; sub f( $x where { $_ ~~ A} ) {}; f B
camelia Cannot use 'does' operator on a type object B.
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
uzl[m] m: role A {}; class B does A {}; sub f( $x where {$_ ~~ A} ) {}; f B 02:18
camelia ( no output )
uzl[m] role A {}; class B; sub f( $x where {$_ ~~ A} ) {}; f B
ryn1x m: role A {}; class B does A {}; class C; sub f( $x where {$_.does(A)} ) { say "worked" }; f C
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Too late for unit-scoped class definition;
Please use the block form.
at <tmp>:1
------> role A {}; class B does A {}; class C; sub f( $x where {$_.does(A)} ) { say "w
uzl[m] m: role A {}; class B {} sub f( $x where {$_ ~~ A} ) {}; f B 02:19
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> role A {}; class B {} sub f( $x where {$_ ~~ A} ) {}; f B
expecting any of:
infix
infix …
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ryn1x m: role A {}; class B does A {}; class C {}; sub f( $x where {$_.does(A)} ) { say "worked" }; f C 02:19
camelia Constraint type check failed in binding to parameter '$x'; expected anonymous constraint to be met but got C (C)
in sub f at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
ryn1x yeah $x where {$_.does(A)} seems to work
uzl[m] m: role A {}; class B {}; sub f( $x where {$_ ~~ A} ) {}; f B
camelia Constraint type check failed in binding to parameter '$x'; expected anonymous constraint to be met but got B (B)
in sub f at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
ryn1x that one is missing class B does A {} 02:20
uzl[m] Yeah, I was testing a class that doesn't implement the role and it fails as expected. 02:21
ryn1x ahh ok. cool.
uzl[m] ^ It seems you could use smartmatching too but .does looks clearer to me. 02:22
ryn1x so does or ~~...
ok yeah... thats what I was thinking
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ryn1x should I use "is rw" or "ir raw" to pass by reference to a sub? 03:01
m: my class Foo {our $.x}; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 42; sub replace($foo is rw) {$foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 99}; replace $foo; say $foo.x;
camelia 99
ryn1x m: my class Foo {our $.x}; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 42; sub replace($foo is raw) {$foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 99}; replace $foo; say $foo.x;
camelia 99
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irced "Raw parameters bind either a variable or a value passed to it, with no decontainerization taking place. That means that if a variable was passed to it, you can assign to the parameter. This is different from rw-parameter which can only bind to variables, never to values." 03:21
irced parses.
m: my class Foo {our $.x}; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 24; sub replace($foo is raw) { $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 99}; replace 42; say $foo.x; 03:23
camelia Cannot assign to an immutable value
in sub replace at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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irced m: my class Foo {our $.x}; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 24; sub replace($foo is rw, $blah is raw) { $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 99}; replace $foo 42; say $foo.x; 03:26
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> oo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 99}; replace $foo 42; say $foo.x;
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
s…
irced m: my class Foo {our $.x}; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 24; sub replace($foo is rw, $blah is raw) { $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 99}; replace ($foo 42); say $foo.x; 03:27
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> o = Foo.new; $foo.x = 99}; replace ($foo 42); say $foo.x;
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
irced m: my class Foo {our $.x}; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 24; sub replace($foo is rw, $blah is raw) { $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 99}; replace ($foo, 42); say $foo.x;
camelia Too few positionals passed; expected 2 arguments but got 1
in sub replace at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
irced m: my class Foo {our $.x}; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 24; sub replace($foo is rw, $blah is raw) { $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = $blah}; replace($foo, 42); say $foo.x;
camelia 42
irced m: my class Foo {our $.x}; my $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = 24; sub replace($foo is rw, $blah is rw) { $foo = Foo.new; $foo.x = $blah}; replace($foo, 42); say $foo.x; 03:28
camelia Parameter '$blah' expected a writable container, but got Int value
in sub replace at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
irced that sums it up. ryn1x ah crap
irced uses raku code to decrypt satellite communications, intercept an authorization, reproduce it, submits an images of ryn1x's face and body posture, triangulate ryn1x's current geolocation based on facial recognition and cell phone location (with history), deploys a drone to deliver a hand written note that reads BANG. 03:32
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[Coke] [Coke] wonders how to setup a main so he can have a fixed string, then -x args, then normal args 03:38
MAIN("combo", $stuff, :$nonsense) wants to be invoked as ./exe -nonsense combo stuff 03:40
irced It's possible to alter how arguments are processed before they're passed to sub MAIN {} by setting options in the %*SUB-MAIN-OPTS hash. Due to the nature of dynamic variables, it is required to set up the %*SUB-MAIN-OPTS hash and fill it with the appropriate settings. 03:43
"
"For example....raku example.raku 1 --c=2 3 --d=4" 03:44
[Coke] does that get a cigar?
irced fiddles happily with his thumb err cigar cutter, making a steel slicing sound repeatedly. 03:45
[Coke] checking...
irced docs.raku.org/language/create-cli#...-MAIN-OPTS
irced draws a pocket blow torch and a bag of thermite from a satchel, to ensure the cigar burns of course. 03:47
[Coke] irced++ 03:49
irced cool, i had hoped it was close enuf
irced puts on light shielding goggles and lights the torch. Cigar time. 03:50
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SmokeMachine m: role A {}; class B does A {}; sub f( A $x ) {}; f B 07:11
camelia ( no output )
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SmokeMachine :( 07:13
m: role A {}; class B {}; sub f( A $x ) {}; f B
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Calling f(B) will never work with declared signature (A $x)
at <tmp>:1
------> ole A {}; class B {}; sub f( A $x ) {}; f B
SmokeMachine :) 07:14
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Altreus No matter what I do I cannot seem to get this client to reconnect if the heartbeat is not acknowledged. github.com/shuppet/p6-api-discord/...n.pm6#L193 08:45
It just ... stops
It appears to print out a whole bunch of spaces on STDERR but I have no idea how that's even possible
Line 203 just never appears to be reached 08:46
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tbrowder m: class f { has $.f; method f {} }; my $o = f.new 10:07
camelia ( no output )
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tbrowder m: class f { has $.f; method f { say 'foo'}}; my $f = f.new; $f.f 10:10
camelia foo
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tbrowder m: class f { has $.f is rw = 'f'; method f {say self.f}}; my $f.new; $f.f; $f.f = 'a'; $f.f 10:14
camelia No such method 'f' for invocant of type 'Any'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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lizmat my $f.new ?? 10:29
tbrowder 10:30
what are you trying to achieve ?
tbrowder experimenting with identical names for methods and attrs. finished offline to my satisfaction. 10:31
we can if needed--very cool! 10:32
lizmat: is it safe to say in general that i can change perl's value of "undef" to "Nil" in raku for assignments? 10:35
lizmat yes
tbrowder that helps. do you know why Nil was chosen over undef for raku? 10:36
lizmat because every type object is basically undef 10:37
tbrowder ?
lizmat in Perl undef is many things
it's a function and it's a value and it's a state
in Raku these are split up really 10:38
there's an undefine() function still, but that's deprecated
because it has different semantics for scalar / arrays / hashes
every type object is a typed undefined value :-) 10:39
and Nil is the "untyped" undefined value
assigning Nil to a scalar will return that scalar to its default state
tbrowder erg, no wonder i never tried to get into perl guts...
lizmat m: my $a is default(42) = 666; say $a; $a = Nil; say $a 10:40
camelia 666
42
tbrowder !! 10:43
cool if needed. my pea brain can't think of a practical use offhand... 10:44
lizmat it could be handy for arrays 10:45
m: my @a is default(1); say @a[1000]
camelia 1
lizmat or hashes 10:46
m: my %h is default(1); say %h<foobar>
camelia 1
tbrowder oh, so an automatically full defined infinite array?
lizmat well, conceptually, yes
m: my %h is default(1); say %h<foobar>; say %h.elems 10:47
camelia 1
0
lizmat in reality, no :-)
tbrowder hm, raku is indeed wondrous! 10:48
thnx for the interesting trip 10:49
lizmat yw 10:50
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Altreus any grown-ups able to help with my problem? :S 11:34
I'm at a total loss ;_;
lizmat Altreus: I have no idea either :-(
Altreus wait! I have output! 11:35
« ♥💔! 🔌…Closing connection
It just doesn't reconnect :z
I'm pretty sure all I changed was the string but ok
chloekek I want something like state but that makes it a property of self instead of the block. Does that exist? 11:41
There is has but its name must be unique across all methods.
Geth 11:42
discord6 <tmtvl> Oh hey, the IRC bridge works again. Hello everyone!
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chloekek I want to make prepared statements persist throughout my instance, but I would really like to just call all of them $sth, for brevity. 11:42
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chloekek Like this: glot.io/snippets/fm3jkrnrf7 11:44
MasterDuke m: class F { my $sth = "select"; method get-sth() { $sth }; method set-sth($a) { $sth = $a } }; my $f = F.new; say $f.get-sth; my $g = F.new; $g.set-sth("update"); say $f.get-sth # or this? 11:46
camelia select
update
chloekek I specifically want them per instance, not global. 11:47
At runtime like has, but syntactically like my.
The storage of has but scoped per lexical scope, not for the entire class. 11:48
MasterDuke you could probably make some sort of Proxy object that stores in a hash keyed on the calling method's name 11:49
chloekek I can make a hash that maps SQL to prepared statements. 11:50
has DBDish::SQLite::StatementHandle %!sths; 11:52
method !sth(::?CLASS:D: Str:D $sql) { %!sths{$sql} //= $!dbh.prepare($sql); }
That should do the trick.
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chloekek Example use: my $sth := self!sth(q:to/SQL/); ☺ 11:54
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Geth doc: 7a4f43b118 | (Ben Davies)++ | doc/Language/objects.pod6
Document sigiled method calls

12:52
doc: 9cd4c4d35b | (Ben Davies)++ | xt/words.pws
Learn the enqueue and dequeue words

doc: 795dc6c896 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2 files
Merge pull request #3300 from Kaiepi/sigiled-methods

Document sigiled method calls
linkable6 Link: docs.raku.org/language/objects
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Geth doc: 4d7c12fb7d | (Ben Davies)++ | doc/Language/objects.pod6
Add missing quote in sigiled method call example

13:14
linkable6 Link: docs.raku.org/language/objects
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chloekek When writing actions for grammars, how do you know what $/ will be like, when the grammar uses repetition? 13:58
In my grammar I have token TOP { <option>* %% \n } so I would expect $<option> to be a list of matches. 13:59
lizmat moritz jnthn ^^
jnthn I'd epxect so too :)
chloekek For some reason I get a Nil here: glot.io/snippets/fm3nbm4non 14:00
I inspected the match objects but it was not clear how I would get the option ASTs out.
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chloekek $<option>».made just evaluates to [Nil, Nil] 14:02
jnthn You forgot to write `make` in the action methods
chloekek Ah
jnthn jnthn wonders if that's a common enough mistake to deserve a weak warning in Comma... 14:03
chloekek Thanks, now it works great. :)
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uzl[m] m: my @a := (1, 2); say @a.VAR.^name; say @a[0].VAR.^name; 14:46
camelia List
Int
uzl[m] m: my @a := (1, 2); say @a.VAR.^name; say @a[0].VAR.^name; @a[0] = 1;
camelia List
Cannot modify an immutable List ((1 2))
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1

Int
uzl[m] m: my %a := Map.new('a', 1, 'b', 2); say %a.VAR.^name; say %a<a>.VAR.^name; 14:47
camelia Map
Int
uzl[m] m: my %a := Map.new('a', 1, 'b', 2); say %a.VAR.^name; say %a<a>.VAR.^name; %a<a> = 'Hi'; say %a
camelia Map
Int
Map.new((a => 1, b => 2))
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uzl[m] ^ Is there any reason why trying to mutate a Map bound to a %-sigiled variable doesn't throw an error the same way a List bound to a @-sigiled variable does? 14:51
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kanliot i was reading cr.openjdk.java.net/~rpressler/loo...posal.html and I think i read that raku supports coroutine semantics, but not actual coroutines. is this true? I think raku would be more interesting if it had real coroutines with the existing semantics which seem very good in raku! 14:54
jnthn Raku has multiple constructs that are coroutine-powerful (gather/take, and await); the actual impl of them is done in terms of continuations rather than coroutines, though that's an implementation detail. 14:58
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kanliot hmm. does golang use multithreaded goroutines by default? 15:12
and thanks for the reply sir
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chloekek At any one time a goroutine runs on at most one thread. 15:19
The number of threads that can be running different goroutines is given by GOMAXPROCS, which defaults to the number of cores. 15:20
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chloekek A goroutine may run on different threads along its lifetime. 15:22
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kanliot thanks chloekek, I guess you looked that up. 15:25
I'm having trouble learning perl OOP. is raku OOP easier somehow... Im reading raku.guide/#_classes_objects 15:26
mainly the problem is i'm just not smart enough or something
chloekek I looked up the default to GOMAXPROCS. :P
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Altreus jnthn: help me jnthn-kenobi, you're my only hope :( 15:31
github.com/shuppet/p6-api-discord/...n.pm6#L193 I've got this far. It notices the exception and disconnects, but never seems to try to reconnect
I don't know what debugging to add to help figure out why 15:32
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chloekek p6: sprintf("%4s", ‘楽’).chars; 15:37
camelia ( no output )
chloekek p6: say sprintf("%4s", ‘楽’).chars;
camelia 4
AlexDaniel what 15:38
m: say sprintf("%4s", ‘楽’);
camelia
AlexDaniel ah
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chloekek But 楽 is twice as wide as Latin characters. :( 15:38
AlexDaniel chloekek: so? The width of some characters is unknown even 15:39
unidump: 楽
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/673a178a454e675d1e...0fde87faf0
uzl[m] kanliot: I'd dare to say that Raku's OOP is one of the cleaniest and most straightforward OOP implementations I've seen in a programming language. I'm bit biased though ;-).
AlexDaniel chloekek: check East_Asian_Width property
chloekek Would be great to have support for that in s?printf. 15:40
Maybe it’s already there, I’d have to check.
AlexDaniel I doubt it
you're asking for something that is generally not possible
at least as far as I know
maybe there's a unicode doc somewhere saying how to do it 15:41
chloekek UAX #14 mentions it.
AlexDaniel UAX #14 is talking about where to break lines, I don't think it's helpful for font-related width 15:44
UAX #11 is probably more useful
chloekek There are also characters that take up no space such as the zero-width joiner. 15:45
AlexDaniel well, zero-width joiner normally appears in the middle of things that form a single grapheme anyway
chloekek Right. 15:46
kanliot thx uzl[m] raku.guide/#_classes_objects this web page seems well written as well. I stopped reading the page since I had to google how to distribute raku programs. I didn't like what i saw there
AlexDaniel chloekek: it's an interesting issue, maybe file a ticket about it? github.com/perl6/problem-solving/ 15:47
chloekek I’ll have to do some more research firts.
I found a Perl 5 module called Unicode::GCString that has a columns function for terminal printing. Let’s see what that has to say. 15:48
AlexDaniel chloekek: once there's a ticket I believe samcv will take a look at it, and she knows a lot more :)
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chloekek Ok. 15:49
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AlexDaniel “In "NONEASTASIAN" context, characters with East_Asian_Width property ambiguous (A) are treated as "narrow" and with Line Breaking Class AI as alphabetic (AL).” 15:53
thing is, your terminal probably has no idea
so my understanding is that you can guesstimate the number of fixed-pitch columns, but it doesn't mean much once you start printing them somewhere 15:54
Geth ¦ problem-solving: chloekek assigned to samcv Issue printf padding and wide East Asian characters github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/171 16:02
uzl[m] kanliot: I think raku.guide is meant to give you an overview of the language. For more in-depth treatment of a particular subject, always refer to the documentation. If you feel something isn't clear on there, you can ask here and/or submit an issue to github.com/Raku/doc/issues. 16:05
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kanliot uzl[m], ok thanks. i see the documentation is linked at the top of raku.guide 16:06
uzl[m] kanliot: By distributing a Raku program, do you mean how to "modularize" it and then make it available in the ecosystem?
kanliot uzl[m], no I mean make it accessible to uh non-experts like me who google stuff and occassionally get a google result from github. 16:08
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kanliot so you could zip up your raku module, but the user still needs to know how to install it on his/her OS 16:09
so it's a nonstarter for most people 16:10
uzl[m] hmm... if a module has its META6.json, installing it is quite easy since zef takes care of everything for you. docs.raku.org/language/modules#Loo...g_modules. 16:13
kanliot: BTW, do you mind sharing what you didn't like on raku.guide? You could submit an issue to github.com/hankache/rakuguide. 16:15
kanliot you remove the appeal of simplicity if it requires expertise. anyhow I can't lecture you
i love raku.guide. i have a problem with "modern perl fourth edition" which gives me a headache 16:16
sorry if i was unclear
uzl[m] Np! 16:20
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samcv AlexDaniel, i have looked at it now chloekek 17:24
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AlexDaniel samcv: but it's not just different unicode versions 17:49
samcv: people want to use it to render tui stuff in terminals
which will probably work in 99% of cases but this 1% will drown us with unfixable bug reports 17:50
if they want to know if something fits in the terminal then why don't they ask their terminal? :) 17:51
cpan-raku_ New module released to CPAN! DBIish::Transaction (1.0.3) by 03RBT 17:54
lizmat printf is grapheme based, and I think it should stay that way 18:01
which is already much better than printf's in other languages 18:02
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