buggable 🎺🎺🎺 It's time for the monthly Accidental /win Lottery 😍😍😍 We have 6 ballots submitted by 6 users! DRUM ROLL PLEASE!... 00:00
And the winning number is 14! Congratulations to jast! You win a roll of duck tape!
Geth doc: 1038e87562 | (Tom Browder)++ | doc/Language/tables.pod6
use non-breaking spaces
doc: dba00e4572 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/tables.pod6
Merge pull request #1694 from tbrowder/table-talk

use non-breaking spaces
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/tables
Zoffix Way to go, jast :)
What time is it?
Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt'ssss 2017 ADVENT TIME \o/ \o/ 00:01
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Zoffix Perl 6 2017 Advent Day 1 post: "The Grinch of Perl 6: A Practical Guide to Ruining Christmas": perl6advent.wordpress.com/2017/12/...christmas/ 00:01
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Herby_ o/ 00:04
Zoffix \o 00:05
Zoffix calls it a day 00:10
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Slayerk m: my @n; my $ns := 1, 2 ... 20; loop (my $i = 1; $i < 100000; $i++) { if $i %% $nns[^20].all { @n.push($i); }}say @n 00:12
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$nns' is not declared. Did you mean '$ns'?
at <tmp>:1
------> = 1; $i < 100000; $i++) { if $i %% $nns[^20].all { @n.push($i); }}say @
Slayerk Oops
m: my @n; my $ns := 1, 2 ... 20; loop (my $i = 1; $i < 100000; $i++) {if $i %% $ns[^20].all { @n.push($i); }}say @n; 00:13
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> $i %% $ns[^20].all { @n.push($i); }}say @n;
Slayerk m: my @n; my $ns := 1, 2 ... 20; loop (my $i = 1; $i < 100000; $i++) {if $i %% $ns[^20].all { @n.push($i); }} say @n; 00:14
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> $i %% $ns[^20].all { @n.push($i); }} say @n;
geekosaur if you're putting it all on one line like that, you need more semicolons 00:15
} at the end of a line (or before another }) inserts a semicolon for you
Slayerk Okay, maybe 4th time lucky
geekosaur also, if you're just noodling around (or testing before presenting code to ask a question), consider: /query camelia 00:16
Slayerk Ah, thanks :P 00:17
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Slayerk Is there a way to estimate how long some code should take to execute? 00:22
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lookatme o/ 00:25
Herby_ lookatme: o/
lookatme haha 00:26
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Herby_ For those that don't know: Advent of Code kicks off in 4.5 hours! 00:31
adventofcode.com/ 00:32
a fun series of programming puzzles
speaking of advent, I'm excited to read the first perl 6 advent calendar topic 00:33
lookatme That site is about Perl6 ? 00:35
captain-adequate Looks cool. 00:37
Herby_ lookatme: nope, people solve the puzzles with all sorts of programming languages
I participated last year, was a lot of fun 00:38
lookatme Oh
Herby_ there is a subreddit for it where people post solutions: www.reddit.com/r/adventofcode/
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Geth ecosystem: a965a84ebc | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Add Proxee.pm6 to ecosystem

  "A more usable Proxy with bells":
  - Easy Coercer Proxies
  - Simplified interface for a regular Proxy
  - Ability to use automatic storage
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captain-adequate Yay... My advent calendar just arrived. 01:49
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SmokeMachine m: gist.github.com/FCO/5283312f055b28...990a7a4f25 03:05
camelia ===SORRY!===
Could not find Grammar::Tracer at line 1 in:
SmokeMachine m: gist.github.com/FCO/5283312f055b28...990a7a4f25 03:06
camelia ===SORRY!===
Something went wrong in (NoMatch)
SmokeMachine it works if its not a slang... any idea why it doesn't when its a slang?
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SmokeMachine m: gist.github.com/FCO/b184fd90cf8913...025890c820 03:08
camelia 「<head>bla<br /><form>bla: <input /></form></head>」
p6x-xml => 「<head>bla<br /><form>bla: <input /></form></head>」
p6x-tag => 「<head>bla<br /><form>bla: <input /></form></head>」
p6x-open-close-tag => 「<head>bla<br /><form>bla…
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lookatme Can not access gist :( 03:16
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SmokeMachine www.irccloud.com/pastebin/UKBXgzyk 03:29
Or pasted.co/b3b83f3e 03:30
lookatme First one ok
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lookatme The code looks awesome 03:32
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Herby__ in python, you can have a something be: self.string = None 04:25
what is 'None' in perl 6?
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geekosaur Str 04:37
that is, it's a type object
(Any should also work)
Herby__ geekosaur: thanks
i'm looking at some python code that looks like: self._part(name, [], None, clean)
geekosaur m: my Str $a = 'foo'; $a = Str; dd $a 04:38
camelia Str $a = Str
Herby__ so in p6, it might look like: self!part($name, (), Any, $clean) ?
geekosaur generally we prefer the most specific typed undefined applicable
so it depends
(since types help the compiler catch mistakes) 04:39
Herby__ gotcha
geekosaur m: my Str $a = 'foo'; $a = Any; dd $a
camelia Type check failed in assignment to $a; expected Str but got Any (Any)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
geekosaur right, didn;t think it would do that
although in that context (only) Nil also works... but it's not general; for a variable, it means "set to whatever was specified by 'is default' trait, or the type's default if none" 04:40
Herby__ geekosaur: thank you. one more basic question. passing an empty anonymous list as an argument? 04:42
self._part(name, [], None, clean)
geekosaur that .. depends. I'm still a bit confused by promotion and when Array works for List 04:43
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Herby__ Do you futz with functional programming much? 04:48
geekosaur uh. I'm one of the maintainers of xmonad
Herby__ I'm a rookie and I have a hard time with writing OO
geekosaur (tiling window manager written in Haskell) 04:49
Herby__ ahh
you familiar at all with python?
geekosaur not very
I can read it, haven't written very much
Herby__ I'd like to convert this (relatively) simple python library to Perl 6. But i stumble with OO
lookatme just like me :)
Herby__ vague question, but could I tackle that with FP? 04:50
FP in perl6
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geekosaur honestly? if I'm parsing in perl 6 I'd write a Grammar, rather than doing it manually 04:54
tony-o FP ? 04:55
lookatme Hmm, seems like it is a parser
Functional Programming
tony-o ah 04:56
you could write that parser in a grammar or with fp (i wouldn't write oo for _that_ one in particular) 04:57
lookatme github.com/araraloren/perl6-getopt...arser.t#L6 A simple grammar 04:58
Herby__ I did try my hand at a basic grammar for it: pastebin.com/zmiEnNBE 05:00
ignore the line numbering
lookatme So grammar is OO style ?
Oh, you parse a torrent file ? 05:01
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geekosaur it's sort of modified OO, but your 'methods' are perl 6's extended regex syntax 05:01
token, rule, etc.
tony-o grammar is, kind of, a more sophisticated regex
Herby__ grammars seem to have a steep learning curve to do anything useful. for rookies at least 05:02
geekosaur kinda got sucked into a support issue elsewhere, sorry
tony-o and you don't _need_ the actions bit in that file
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Herby__ if you're in the mood for solving puzzles, adventOfCode just went live: adventofcode.com/2017/day/1 05:04
gonna use p6 this year
tony-o just finished making pp6 tar work 05:05
can read tar files from git
lookatme great
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moritz Zoffix++ # perl6advent.wordpress.com/ 06:14
lookatme moritz++ 06:21
I got the first star :) adventofcode.com 06:23
ideone.com/iUhPA0 06:25
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Herby_ lookatme: ++! 06:59
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AlexDaniel squashable6: next 07:06
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AlexDaniel rakudo and roast repos tracked just in case 07:10
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lookatme I complete the first day : ideone.com/TX1lqB 07:37
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anop Is there perl6 projects for BigData ? 09:11
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Ulti anop: nothing specific that I know of, if you mean things like bindings to Spark etc. 09:12
anop yes 09:13
Ulti which would be an interesting place for the JVM implementation to go
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buggable New CPAN upload: Wikidata-API-0.0.3.tar.gz by JMERELO cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/J/JM/...0.3.tar.gz 09:23
piojo I just noticed type restraints aren't working when precompiled. Is this known, or should I file a bug? 09:25
m: sub test(--> Array[Pair]) { return my Pair @pairs; }; test
camelia ( no output )
piojo But if you put that in Test.pm6 and run it, with perl6 -I. -MTest -e 'Test::test', it says Type check failed for return value; expected Array[Pair] but got Array[Pair].new() 09:26
I guess being parameterized, this case doesn't get as much testing as the more common types. 09:27
Maybe it only fails for Array[Pair]. Array[Int] works fine. 09:28
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teatime is it like Pair([]) 09:33
or something 09:34
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piojo1 teatime: when I print the type with .WHAT, the type is Array[Pair] 09:40
And it's the same result if I return Array[Pair].new. 09:41
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mscha m: say 'abcdef'.comb.rotate(3); # Do I really need to ... 10:07
camelia No such method 'rotate' for invocant of type 'Seq'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
mscha m: say 'abcdef'.comb.List.rotate(3); # ... spell it out? 10:08
camelia (d e f a b c)
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piojo m: 'abcdef'.comb.cache.rotate(3); 10:12
camelia ( no output )
piojo mscha: because Seq is conceptually not list-like. It's more like an iterator. But you can cache the values and treat it as a list after that. 10:13
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mscha m: say (1,2,3,4,5) / 2; # this is fine, but ... 10:25
camelia 2.5
mscha m: say (1,2,3,4,5) div 2; # ..; this isn't. A bit inconsistent? 10:26
camelia Cannot resolve caller infix:<div>(List, Int); none of these signatures match:
(Int:D \a, Int:D \b)
(int $a, int $b --> int)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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wander rt#124609 10:32
synopsebot RT#124609 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=124609 Roast rakudo skip/todo test:./S02-magicals/VM.t line:45 reason: 'no VM.signature yet'
wander it said we don't have $*VM.signature 10:33
then I reach here↓
so what it $*VM.signature should be?
same as $*VM.properties mentioned by rt#124606 10:34
synopsebot RT#124606 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=124606 Roast rakudo skip/todo test:./S02-magicals/VM.t line:7 reason: 'VM.properties does not exist' 10:35
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wander AlexDaniel: rt#125488 could not be reproduced, maybe it was fixed 10:53
synopsebot RT#125488 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=125488 Some phaser blorsts don't see outer $_ 10:54
wander with perl6 -v as "This is Rakudo version 2017.11-44-g4a32089fd built on MoarVM version 2017.11-20-gd23f5ca1 implementing Perl 6.c."
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SmokeMachine Now there’s more people online, somebody could help me? This grammar works, but when I make it a slang, it breaks... does anyone now why? 11:23
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SmokeMachine m: gist.github.com/FCO/b184fd90cf8913...025890c820 11:24
camelia 「<head>bla<br /><form>bla: <input /></form></head>」
p6x-xml => 「<head>bla<br /><form>bla: <input /></form></head>」
p6x-tag => 「<head>bla<br /><form>bla: <input /></form></head>」
p6x-open-close-tag => 「<head>bla<br /><form>bla…
SmokeMachine m: gist.github.com/FCO/5283312f055b28...990a7a4f25 11:25
camelia ===SORRY!===
Something went wrong in (NoMatch)
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DrForr Oh, we finally have official slang code, neat. Maybe that'll be my new post... 11:25
The first thing I'd do is encourage you to file a bug, there's no line/file info with the SORRY error. 11:28
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SmokeMachine DrForr: I think you are right! 11:29
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timotimo SmokeMachine: it could be the difference between rakudo's ws and the default ws 11:33
scimon github.com/Scimon/p6-Game-Sudoku So here's my holiday work in progress. It's near a point where I might release it. I want to get a solver done (for at least simple solutions) and then look at possibly a puzzle creator.
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SmokeMachine Another information: when I change the order of the p6x-tags, it changes the error (but the grammar works the same way...) 11:34
araraloren :) 11:36
scimon This morning I was having a conversation with one of the dev managers and he said "Why do you like Perl6 so much?" that took a while.
teatime (wildly off-topic:) 1) i.imgur.com/blEwPfJ.png 2) i.imgur.com/TZLSRNM.png ⇠ Trying out an open-source parametric 3d modeling / cad program. how cool is that. 11:37
SmokeMachine m: gist.github.com/FCO/53427981f39d32...6da46daaad 11:38
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in p6x-unique-tag; couldn't find final '/>' (corresponding starter was at line 60)
at <tmp>:60
------> <head>
moritz teatime: nice!
teatime wtb perl6 spreadsheet / something that combined spreadsheet & literate programming
DrForr teatime: I've had a background idea about a parser/builder for LCAD (LEGO CAD) for a long time.
SmokeMachine That totally different error occurred just because I changed the order of the p6x-tag 11:41
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DrForr At least that time the line number got in :) 11:44
SmokeMachine Yes...
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SmokeMachine I already tried to make it a comment:sym<p6x>, a term:sym<p6x> and a statement_control:sym<p6x>... all with the same error... 11:46
timotimo SmokeMachine: have you tried --rxtrace?
SmokeMachine timotimo: No! I didn’t know that exists... what does that do? 11:47
timotimo it's an extremely simplistic tool to trace rakudo's stage parse 11:49
SmokeMachine (I’m on my phone now... I can’t try it just now... :(
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wander moritz: your ticket rt#76744 performs quite differently now, plz check when you're free 11:55
synopsebot RT#76744 [open]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=76744 [TODO] implement :dba adverbs in regexes
wander I'm not sure what ':dba' acts 11:56
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moritz m: '(abc' ~~ /'(' ~ ')' .*/ 12:03
camelia ( no output )
wander m: '(abc)' ~~ /'(' ~ ')' .*/ 12:04
camelia ( no output )
wander m: say '(abc)' ~~ /'(' ~ ')' .*/
camelia 「(abc)」
wander m: say '(abc)' ~~ /:dba('foo') '(' ~ ')' .*/ 12:05
moritz m: grammar A { token TOP { :dba('parenthesis') \( ~ \) .* }; method FAILGOAL($goal) { die $goal } }; A.parse('(abc'))
camelia Nil
===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unexpected closing bracket
at <tmp>:1
------> ($goal) { die $goal } }; A.parse('(abc'))
moritz m: grammar A { token TOP { :dba('parenthesis') \( ~ \) .* }; method FAILGOAL($goal) { die $goal } }; A.parse('(abc')
camelia ( no output )
moritz the error is still the same: :dba(...) makes ~ not work
wander m: say '(abc)' ~~ /:dba('foo') '(' ~ ')' .*/ # seems even break normal matching
camelia Nil
moritz it's just that the default behavior of ~ switched from "throw an exception" to "call FAILGOAL" 12:06
m: grammar A { token TOP { \( ~ \) .* }; method FAILGOAL($goal) { die $goal } }; A.parse('(abc')
camelia \)
in method FAILGOAL at <tmp> line 1
in regex TOP at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
moritz (dba stands for "do business as", and is supposed to set the current rule name for use in error messages) 12:07
wander m: say 'abc' ~~ /:dba('foo') abc/
camelia Nil
wander m: say 'abc' ~~ / abc/
camelia 「abc」
wander is this normal? ':dba' is used for error messages, but it looks like even break a trivial matching 12:08
moritz it is not normals. Hence my bug report. 12:09
wander see.
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jnthn I'm not totally sure we ever implemented :dba in Rakudo 12:09
It's certainly in NQP, 'cus we use it for a load of error reporting :) 12:10
moritz jnthn: I'm not sure either, but if it wasn't, at least it was silently ignored instead of f-ing up matches
wander lizmat: your ticket rt#125488 could not be reproduced, maybe it was fixed 12:15
synopsebot RT#125488 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=125488 Some phaser blorsts don't see outer $_
wander m: for ^2 { NEXT .say }
camelia 0
wander m: for ^10 { LAST .say } 12:16
camelia 9
moritz write tests, close? :-)
AlexDaniel wander: any chance you can send that as a reply to the ticket? (so that the info is not lost)
wander I'm not familiar with rt system, let me try(maybe spend some time) 12:17
AlexDaniel wander: here's how to do that without an account: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Raku...-a-comment
wander got it. 12:18
moritz: where do you think that the test should be? S04-phasers? 12:19
moritz wander: yes, sounds good
AlexDaniel wander: as for when it was fixed, here's what can be tried 12:21
6c: for ^2 { NEXT .say } 12:22
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/c52d9b13c9660c4f19...d61cdd2ead
AlexDaniel bisect: for ^2 { NEXT .say }
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by exit code (old=2015.12 new=f78fd7c). Old exit code: 1
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/d6196ac9ab8a00f0da...2b3b59c0e2
AlexDaniel, (2016-08-03) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/5e...b2b9ba3a30
AlexDaniel c: 5e61516a3fd^,5e61516a3fd for ^2 { NEXT .say } 12:23
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦5e61516a3fd^: «Cannot call method 'say' on a null object␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/aF0nV9Cmus line 1␤␤ «exit code = 1»» ¦5e61516: «0␤1␤»
AlexDaniel wander: yeah. ↑ 12:24
wander thanks
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squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in 1 day and ≈23 hours. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/822bdcff2e0e5e2ee3...7262cd04dd
AlexDaniel squashable6 will not announce updates on RT, but I hope we can live with that :)
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squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by W4anD0eR96++! ♥ 12:51
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squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ opened pull request “Test for RT #125488”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/362 12:56
synopsebot RT#125488 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=125488 Some phaser blorsts don't see outer $_
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wander bisect: enum Color (<red green purple> Z=> 1,2,4); 13:09
bisectable6 wander, On both starting points (old=2015.12 new=f78fd7c) the exit code is 0 and the output is identical as well
wander, Output on both points: «»
wander c: a3869a^, a3869a enum Color (<red green purple> Z=> 1,2,4); 13:11
committable6 wander, ¦a3869a^,a3869a: «No build for this commit»
timotimo maybe no space allowed in between?
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wander c: a3869a^,a3869a enum Color (<red green purple> Z=> 1,2,4); 13:15
committable6 wander, ¦a3869a^,a3869a: «No build for this commit»
SmokeMachine timotimo: gist.github.com/FCO/992c0d2bf548e2...fcc0b6f871 13:17
timotimo wow, that is gigantic 13:18
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squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ wrote a comment on commit 1fbabe9b5757: github.com/perl6/roast/commit/1fba...t-25981254 13:24
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wander I try to write a e-mail with title '[perl #125488]' to [email@hidden.address] but it seems got lost 13:34
I don't know why
SmokeMachine timotimo: yes... it is... :( 13:35
AlexDaniel` You have to wait a little bit I think 13:36
wander: have you tried creating an account? Might be worth it 13:37
wander quite a while :P 13:38
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AlexDaniel` wander: what do you mean?
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wander I sent that e-mail 30 minutes ago 13:42
moritz there's a manual approval process for mails from senders that haven't been seen before 13:43
wander and I'm afraid if I write in the wrong format :P
squashable6 🍕 tbrowder++ synchronize pull request “add new tests for fix to rakudo repo issue #1282”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/361 13:44
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AlexDaniel` Sometimes emails to rt are just lost... 13:45
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moritz news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15822649 # p6advent discussion on HN 13:49
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AlexDaniel` moritz: oh gosh :D 13:52
timotimo oh, phlogistique, i know that person 13:53
AlexDaniel` Well guess they are not going to like my perl6 golf post
timotimo if it's the same person
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moritz still, the post is ranked #5 right now 13:53
perlpilot TIL about nextcallee (even though it's been there for 2 years, I don't think I've encountered it before) 13:57
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Test for RT #125488”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/362#is...-348503849 14:10
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synopsebot RT#125488 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=125488 Some phaser blorsts don't see outer $_
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ wrote a comment on “Test for RT #125488”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/362#is...-348504945 14:14
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Test for RT #125488”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/362#is...-348505128 14:15
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squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ synchronize pull request “Test for RT #125488”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/362 14:23
synopsebot RT#125488 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=125488 Some phaser blorsts don't see outer $_
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ merged pull request “Test for RT #125488”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/362 14:24
AlexDaniel wander: can you also include a test for FIRST, LEAVE, PRE, UNDO, KEEP? 14:26
what you've done is enough to close the ticket, but not enough to prevent regressions from happening :) 14:27
wander aha, you're right 14:28
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wander AlexDaniel: 14:38
m: for ^10 { KEEP .say ; 42 }
camelia WARNINGS for <tmp>:
Useless use of constant integer 42 in sink context (line 1)
wander shouldn't it `say 42` 10 times? 14:39
we have doc "For phasers such as KEEP and POST that are run when exiting a scope normally, the return value (if any) from that scope is available as the current topic within the phaser."
AlexDaniel ha…
timotimo yeah, that should probably give you 42 there, and maybe not warn about sink context
AlexDaniel the sink context is right 14:40
m: say (for ^10 { KEEP .say ; 42 })
camelia 0
(42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42)
timotimo shouldn't having a keep phaser change that?
moritz no 14:41
timotimo OK
moritz at least, I don't think so :-)