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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
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tushar can i read input file here on irc channel using "m:"? 01:28
geekosaur not in general. there's usually some kind of (usually unicode-y) text file on $*IN though 01:29
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tushar geekosaur: thanks. 01:30
m: $*IN.nl-in.say; 01:31
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«[␤
tushar can i set "nl-out" or "nl-in"? 01:34
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tushar Is there any special variable or method that can identify the field separator of a file? 01:39
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AlexDaniel tushar: what's a field separator of a file? 02:05
tushar AlexDaniel: tab separator or comma separator. It's like field separator in Sed. 02:08
AlexDaniel umm… if $line ~~ /‘;’/ { … } elsif $line ~~ /\t/ { … } ? 02:09
it's hard for me to see how should it decide if it's one or another :) 02:10
especially if the line contains both
committable6: stdin websitetips.com/articles/copy/lorem/ipsum.txt 02:11
committable6 AlexDaniel, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL.
AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/15e332d3fd7bb9c084...dbd2103fd0
AlexDaniel well, this response is LTA
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AlexDaniel committable6: say lines[0] 02:11
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦«say»: Cannot find this revision
AlexDaniel committable6: HEAD say lines[0]
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/c0c06fd17cbcf7e22d...0aad936484
AlexDaniel committable6: HEAD say lines[0].split(‘ ’)[0] 02:12
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦«HEAD»: Lorem
MasterDuke you should be able to set nl-in
AlexDaniel so yeah, you can use custom STDIN if you use committable. Still can't read a file though
MasterDuke e.g., $filename.IO.lines(:nl-in("\r\n")).elems 02:13
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MasterDuke docs.perl6.org/language/5to6-perlv...ilehandles 02:14
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Xliff_ m: use NativeCall; my @a = CArray[int32].new; @a.^methods.say 02:50
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«(iterator from-iterator new STORE reification-target shape pop shift splice name of default dynamic Method+{<anon|44748016>}.new Method+{<anon|44748016>}.new Method+{<anon|44748016>}.new Method+{<anon|44748016>}.new BIND-POS Method+{<anon|44748016>}.new Me…»
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Xliff_ Is there an easy way to list the roles supported by an object? 02:54
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skids m: "foo".^roles.say 03:09
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«((Stringy))␤»
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skids m: class A { }; class B is A { }; A.^parents.say # ?? 03:16
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«()␤»
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skids star: class A { }; class B is A { }; A.^parents.say # ?? 03:16
camelia star-m 2016.04: OUTPUT«()␤»
skids oh. duh 03:17
m: class A { }; class B is A { }; B.^parents.say
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«((A))␤»
skids m: class A { }; class B is A { }; B.^parents(:all).say
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«((A) (Any) (Mu))␤»
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dalek ateverable: d3a3e58 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | / (2 files):
Remove transitional support for older builds

This code is not needed anymore.
ateverable: 6b4d623 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | README.md:
Less README, more wiki!

Editing documentation with git commits is daunting.
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Nex6 question this line: 05:45
my $results = run 'ping', '-c', '1', ' ' $line :out;
throws this error
===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /Users/zero/Perl6_Projects/pingsweep/./pingsweep.pl
Two terms in a row
geekosaur that syntax looks wrong, yes 05:46
Nex6 it worked on Linux, now i am running the script on OS X and it throws error? 05:47
geekosaur not like that it didn't, because ' ' $line is invalid 05:48
:out($line) perhaps?
Nex6 i moved the $line from beginning
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geekosaur although that still wouldn't be right because $line would get a filehandle 05:48
what was the original command? 05:49
Nex6 for 'hostfile.txt' .IO.lines -> $line {
its in a for loop 05:50
geekosaur ok, so if you are using run then it needs to be something like: my $proc = run('ping', '-c', '1', :out); for $proc.out.lines -> $line { 05:51
hm, parens are not needed for that run, I was starting to type something else that wouldn't have worked 05:52
my $proc = run 'ping', '-c', '1', :out; for $proc.out.lines -> $line {
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zengargoyle is there a .trans like thing that does 'from' => 'to', 'from1' => 'to1' instead of [«from from1»]=>[«to to1»] ?? 06:46
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zengargoyle or some simple magic transformation incantation to make the former into the latter? 06:50
zengargoyle thinks "transformation incantation" will be a handy p6 term.... 06:51
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perlawhirl zengargoyle: why not subst (or s///) 07:13
m: 'test from test from1 from3'.subst('from', 'to', :g) 07:14
camelia ( no output )
perlawhirl m: say 'test from test from1 from3'.subst('from', 'to', :g)
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«test to test to1 to3␤»
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zengargoyle perlawhirl: because there's always a *long* list of A->B, C->D, E->F, G->H, I->J replacements that i want to do in one go. 07:19
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zengargoyle and that's an easier format to maintain than [A,C,E,G]->[B,D,F,H] 07:20
perlawhirl *shrug*... put them in a hash and loop over them... for %from-to.kv -> $from, $to { $string .= subst($from, $to, :g) } 07:24
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zengargoyle then you have to worry about order of substitutions. IIRC .trans does longest first for you and maybe other optimizations so that it's *one* pass over the string instead of N passes over the strin. 07:26
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perlawhirl you can define 2 ordered lists if that's nicer to maintain... .trans( @from => @t ) 07:32
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perlawhirl m: my @a = <this is that>; my @b = <now it's this>; say 'this is not that'.trans(@a => @b) 07:33
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«now it's not this␤»
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zengargoyle that's exactly the opposite of what i want. when adding new things you need to add one thing to the first list and one thing to the second list and make sure to keep them in order. 07:35
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raydiak m: my @vals = { a => 1, b => 2, c => 3 }.pairs; say @vals».key, @vals».value; # more like this maybe... 07:36
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«[a c b][1 3 2]␤»
zengargoyle i want to have one list of x=>y and add more x=>y to that list.
raydiak: yeah, but i was hoping for not having an intermediate variable. :P
i.e. for one-liner usage scenario. 07:37
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raydiak m: say $_».key, $_».value given { a => 1, b => 2, c => 3 }.pairs.list # not exactly pretty but no intermediate variable 07:38
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«(a c b)(1 3 2)␤»
zengargoyle where it's much easier to add one more A=>B somewhere than it is to add an A in one place and a B in another. but yeah. that or a {[$_.keys]=>[$_.values]}(a=>b, c=>d) sort of thing. 07:39
raydiak seriously? you have "a long list" of these in a one-liner?
zengargoyle :P
for lines».split: /\s/ -> ($c, $, $t) { say qq{<Multi_key> $t.comb.map({$_.trans([«( ) + - | < > . ^ = & !»]=>[«parenleft parenright plus minus bar less greater period asciicircum equal ampersand excam »])}).fmt("<%s>") : "$c" U+$c.ord.fmt("%X") # $c.uninames()} } 07:40
masak morknink, #perl6
raydiak at first glance looks like a mess that ought to be facotred into something readable to me
o/ masak
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zengargoyle i've used Perl5 one-liners from hell for many years and intend to do the same with Perl6. they're one-off things and go into my ~/0liners file and if i need them more they get put in an editor and tidy'd and worked on. 07:43
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zengargoyle that takes the list of char,codepoint,texas-symbol cut from the docs and turns it into a .XCompose file. 07:43
the only part of that that was even a tiny PITA was the .trans.... 07:46
lizmat zengargoyle: perhaps link to it from the doc ? 07:48
zengargoyle lizmat: link to what?
lizmat a downloadable copy of the .XCompose file ? 07:49
zengargoyle oh, yeah, it's the start of a plan to get all the texas to char mappings somehow and generate various IME files (ibus tables, xcompose, ...). 07:50
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zengargoyle i wish there was a way to get the mappings from *within* p6 somehow vs keeping a list somewhere. 07:51
lizmat I guess we could add such a module to lib and make it -use-able and in sync with releases that way 07:52
not sure we want to carry that around all the time 07:53
zengargoyle yeah, or maybe when pod6 is a bit more ... just a comment or something that can be got at somehow. 07:55
raydiak m: < a 1 b 2 c 3 >[ (0, 2 ... *), (1, 3 ... *) ].say # any better?
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«((a b c) (1 2 3))␤»
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zengargoyle m: sub (*@a) { [@a>>.key]=>[@a>>.value] }((a=>'b',c=>'d')) 08:03
camelia ( no output )
zengargoyle m: say sub (*@a) { [@a>>.key]=>[@a>>.value] }((a=>'b',c=>'d'))
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«[a c] => [b d]␤»
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zengargoyle m: {[@^a».key]=>[@^a».value]}((a=>'b',c=>'d')) 08:07
camelia ( no output )
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zengargoyle m: say {[@^a».key]=>[@^a».value]}((a=>'b',c=>'d')) 08:07
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«[a c] => [b d]␤»
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zengargoyle m: say {[@^a».key]=>[@^a».value]}(a=>'b',c=>'d') 08:16
camelia rakudo-moar 3789a0: OUTPUT«Too few positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 0␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
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masak m: say {[@^a».key]=>[@^a».value]}([a=>'b',c=>'d']) 08:56
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«[a c] => [b d]␤»
masak zengargoyle: when you put something like `a => 'b'` *directly* in an argument list, it's interpreted as a named parameter. 08:57
(this feature goes under the name of "ShimmerFairy's Objection") :P
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zengargoyle masak: i sorta knew it wouldn't work without something around the pairs, and why ... just thought *maybe* blocks might be different. 09:24
i guess i really want an additial multi for .trans that takes list of pairs. or a op that un-pairs. both are probably doable in real code. 09:26
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zengargoyle slaps self for not guessing ibus-daemon needs restarting after changing XCompose file. 10:00
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zengargoyle but can now type Compose-!(elem) and get ∉ in new xterms 10:04
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DrForr +1 10:10
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lizmat masak: ShimmerFairy is not alone in doubts about that feature 10:42
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moritz what would be the alternative? only parse colonpairs as named args? 10:48
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gfldex loliblogedagain: gfldex.wordpress.com/2016/09/22/ke...-optional/ 10:49
llamatarianism hey 10:52
new to perl; I've got a question about roles 10:53
I know you can do `role Foo[::Bar] { ... }`
is it possible to do something like `role Foo[::Bar is Baz]` or `role Foo[::Bar does Baz]`?
so that I can make a `Foo` of anything that is/does `Baz`, but not any old type 10:54
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gfldex m: role Foo[::Bar where * ~~ Baz] {} 10:55
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Cannot do non-typename cases of type_constraint yet␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3role Foo[::Bar where * ~~ Baz7⏏5] {}␤»
gfldex llamatarianism: ^^^ NYI
llamatarianism gfldex: cool! thanks a lot :) 10:56
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gfldex llamatarianism: however, I would goess you could do that with MOP already 10:56
psch m: role R[Positional] { }; R[Array].new
camelia ( no output )
psch m: role R[Positional] { }; R[Int].new
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«No appropriate parametric role variant available for 'R'␤ in any specialize at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 2649␤ in any specialize at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 2240␤ in any compose at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 3028␤ in any make_pun at…»
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gfldex m: role R[Positional ::P] { }; 10:57
camelia ( no output )
psch gfldex: i think the error from your example is misleading. it seems about "can't parse constraints on generic parametrization" which seems reasonable
gfldex m: role R[Positional ::P] { }; R[Array]
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«WARNINGS for <tmp>:␤Useless use of constant value R[Array] in sink context (line 1)␤»
gfldex m: role R[Positional ::P] { }; R[Array].new
camelia ( no output )
psch ah, no 10:58
it's fine, actually, i misread, sorry :)
because where constraints are different than type constraints
i.e. "Positional ::P" vs "::P where Positional"
gfldex m: role R[Num ::P] { }; R[Num].new 10:59
camelia ( no output )
gfldex m: role R[Num ::P] { }; R[Int].new
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«No appropriate parametric role variant available for 'R'␤ in any specialize at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 2649␤ in any specialize at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 2240␤ in any compose at gen/moar/m-Metamodel.nqp line 3028␤ in any make_pun at…»
psch which means with Subsets we already offer the same functionality, just not one specific syntax
gfldex so it can be done with a role but inheritance is ignored
psch m: say Int.isa(Num) 11:00
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«False␤»
gfldex oh
psch m: role R[Numeric ::N] { }; R[Int].new
camelia ( no output )
gfldex llamatarianism: sorry, I was wrong. It can be done.
psch llamatarianism: you're following along? :)
llamatarianism psch: a little :P
psch llamatarianism: basically there's two types of constraints on variables
s/variables/parameters/ 11:01
llamatarianism: and role parameterization uses, well, parameters
llamatarianism: the two types are type constraints, as in "Int $x" or "Positional ::P"
llamatarianism: the other type is post constraints, as in "$x where * < 10" or "::P where Positional" 11:02
llamatarianism: the latter is not supported yet in role declaration, which is the error gfldex++ showed
gfldex m: class A {}; class B {}; subset A-or-B where * ~~ A|B; role R[A-or-B ::T] {}; R[A.new].new; R[B.new].new;
camelia ( no output )
gfldex llamatarianism: ^^^ that may be what you want
psch llamatarianism: but the former is fully supported, even with subsetting, inheritance, and mixins
gfldex ENODOC 11:03
llamatarianism gfldex, psch: thanks :) 11:05
jkramer Has anyone ever seen this error? I have no idea where it's coming from o_O "Method 'hash' not found for invocant of class 'Mu'" 11:07
dalek c: 9493948 | gfldex++ | doc/Language/typesystem.pod6:
role arguments can have constraints
psch m: Mu.hash 11:08
jkramer The code I'm looking at doesn't have 'hash' anywhere in it
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«Method 'hash' not found for invocant of class 'Mu'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
gfldex jkramer: are there threads involved?
jkramer Well yeah, thanks psch :)
psch scnr :l
jkramer: maybe hash coercer or %() or something like that?
jkramer gfldex: None that I know of :) However the code is a bit "special" and looking for call frames for a stack trace. 11:09
I'm trying to make this module work: github.com/moznion/p6-Log-Minimal/...inimal.pm6 11:10
psch m: callframe(11).say
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«Method 'hash' not found for invocant of class 'Mu'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
psch jkramer: you're running out of stack :)
m: callframe(11).perl.say 11:11
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«CallFrame.new(level => 13, annotations => Mu, my => {})␤»
psch or, well, the empty annotations are to blame actually i guess >_>
gfldex m: callframe(11).WHAT.say 11:12
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«(CallFrame)␤»
psch m: callframe(2).say
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«gen/moar/stage2/NQPHLL.nqp at line 1428␤»
jkramer m: callframe(1000).WHAT.say
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«ctxcaller needs an MVMContext␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
psch m: callframe(2).perl.say
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«Method 'WHICH' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Compiler'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
bioduds hi guys 11:13
how do I do this: say qqx{@técnicos};
it won't interpolate the array
psch m: my @a = 1,2,3; say qq{@a[]} 11:14
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«1 2 3␤»
psch m: my @a = 1,2,3; say qq{$@a} 11:15
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«1 2 3␤»
bioduds let me try
zengargoyle forgets the diff between @x[] and @x[*] 11:16
jkramer psch: Thanks for the pointer, I just added this and it seems to work now :) .grep({ $_.annotations ~~ Hash }) 11:18
Now I can continue to fix the unit tests \o/ 11:20
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bioduds thanks 11:21
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bioduds psch 11:21
~= is concat for string now?
instead of .= ? 11:22
lizmat bioduds: yes
bioduds tx
lizmat ~ indicates Str
+ indicates numeric
? indicates Bool
m: say ?1
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«True␤»
lizmat m: dd ?1
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«Bool::True␤»
lizmat m: dd ~1
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«"1"␤»
lizmat m: dd +"42" 11:23
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«42␤»
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llamatarianism is there a difference between `so` and `?`? 11:29
m: say so 1
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«True␤»
lizmat llamatarianism: precedence 11:30
llamatarianism lizmat: good point, thanks
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timotimo m: say so 1 + 5; say ?1 + 5 11:32
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«True␤6␤»
zengargoyle m: say ?2 + 5 11:33
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«6␤»
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bioduds for @técnicos -> $tecnico { 11:37
SORRY Variable '$tecnico' is not declared. Did you mean any of these?
isn't that for in perl6?
timotimo do you have some " " around there somewhere?
bioduds yes
timotimo maybe you accidentally made your quotes go past there? 11:38
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bioduds i shouldn't? 11:38
im interpolating for a string
inside the for loop
timotimo m: say "for @tecnicos -> $tecnico { }"
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable '$tecnico' is not declared␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say "for @tecnicos -> 7⏏5$tecnico { }"␤»
timotimo like that?
moritz bioduds: it looks like your syntax error comes before the piece of the code you pasted
bioduds let me check 11:39
sub ef8a4da32a-get-json is export { my Str $ret-val = "{ tecnicos ["; for @técnicos -> $técnico { $ret-val ~= "{nome: $técnico.nome, genero: $técnico.gênero, idade: $técnico.idade, $técnico.rate },"; } 11:41
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bioduds is in pm file 11:41
no clue here
timotimo m: for ^10 -> $técnico { say "yo" } 11:42
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«yo␤yo␤yo␤yo␤yo␤yo␤yo␤yo␤yo␤yo␤»
timotimo it should work
m: sub ef8a4da32a-get-json is export { my Str $ret-val = "{ tecnicos ["; for @técnicos -> $técnico { $ret-val ~= "{nome: $técnico.nome, genero: $técnico.gênero, idade: $técnico.idade, $técnico.rate },"; }
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable '$técnico' is not declared␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3l = "{ tecnicos ["; for @técnicos -> 7⏏5$técnico { $ret-val ~= "{nome: $técn␤»
timotimo oh, that's interesting
m: sub ef8a4da32a-get-json is export { my Str $ret-val = "{ tecnicos ["; for @técnicos -> $técnico { $ret-val ~= "{nome: $técnico.nome, genero: $técnico.gênero, idade: $técnico.idade, $técnico.rate },"; }
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable '$técnico' is not declared␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3l = "{ tecnicos ["; for @técnicos -> 7⏏5$técnico { $ret-val ~= "{nome: $técn␤» 11:43
bioduds exactly
timotimo oh, hehe
easy peasy
bioduds should work, right?
timotimo m: sub ef8a4da32a-get-json is export { my Str $ret-val = "\{ tecnicos ["; for @técnicos -> $técnico { $ret-val ~= "{nome: $técnico.nome, genero: $técnico.gênero, idade: $técnico.idade, $técnico.rate },"; }
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable '@técnicos' is not declared␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3 Str $ret-val = "\{ tecnicos ["; for 7⏏5@técnicos -> $técnico { $ret-val ~= ␤»
timotimo m: sub ef8a4da32a-get-json is export { my Str $ret-val = "\{ tecnicos ["; for @técnicos -> $técnico { $ret-val ~= "\{nome: $técnico.nome, genero: $técnico.gênero, idade: $técnico.idade, $técnico.rate },"; }
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable '@técnicos' is not declared␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3 Str $ret-val = "\{ tecnicos ["; for 7⏏5@técnicos -> $técnico { $ret-val ~= ␤»
timotimo not as easy as i thought, obviously 11:44
m: sub ef8a4da32a-get-json is export { my Str $ret-val = '{ tecnicos ['; for @técnicos -> $técnico { $ret-val ~= "\{nome: $técnico.nome, genero: $técnico.gênero, idade: $técnico.idade, $técnico.rate },"; }
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable '@técnicos' is not declared␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3y Str $ret-val = '{ tecnicos ['; for 7⏏5@técnicos -> $técnico { $ret-val ~= ␤»
timotimo oh, right
the error changed
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timotimo the problem was you were opening a { inside your string 11:44
that lets you put code in
so your "for @tecnicos -> $tecnico" was inside string quotes
the string quotes started by the " after the [
bioduds so i should escape { ? 11:45
timotimo basically you were writing $ret-val = "{ call sub tecnicos with array ["this is string: ; for @tecnicos -> $tecnico { ...
either escape the { or use '' (because '' won't interpolate)
bioduds ok, so rule of thumb in p6 should be start with single ' ? 11:46
timotimo you're free to do it whatever way you like
zengargoyle isn't there a qq:!e or similar to disable the {} in qq
timotimo correct
bioduds okeydokey
timotimo it's spelled :!c
for "no closures"
zengargoyle :)
bioduds works now
thanks a lot
timotimo m: say "test { say "hi" }" 11:47
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«hi␤test True␤»
timotimo m: say q:!c"test { say "hi" }"
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Two terms in a row␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say q:!c"test { say "7⏏5hi" }"␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ postfix␤ statement end␤ statement m…»
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zengargoyle guess quotes don't nest... 11:49
psch m: say q:!c/test { say "hi" }/ 11:50
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«test { say "hi" }␤»
timotimo can't, if you have the same delimiter character for start and end
m: say q:!c“test { say "hi" }”
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«test { say "hi" }␤»
timotimo m: say q:!c“test { say “hi” }”
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«test { say “hi” }␤»
timotimo ^- those do nest
zengargoyle m: say qq:!c“test { say "hi" }” 11:53
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«test { say "hi" }␤»
zengargoyle muahahaha
timotimo what is muahaha about that?
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zengargoyle spent so much time figuring out how to type “ that i didn't see yours. 11:54
timotimo oh 11:55
for me, i have „“” for shift 8 9 0 and ‚‘’ for capslock 8 9 0
⟨⟩₀ are shift + capslock + 8 9 0
m: say ⟨foobar⟩ 11:57
camelia rakudo-moar e9409c: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5===␤Argument to "say" seems to be malformed␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say7⏏5 ⟨foobar⟩␤Bogus postfix␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say 7⏏5⟨foobar⟩␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ postf…»
zengargoyle you don't have *() for shift 890 ??
timotimo aaw
of course not
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timotimo those are capslock g j k 11:57
zengargoyle lol
timotimo of course when i press g j and k i really get o n and r 11:58
psch /o\
AlexDaniel hehe, well, “ is altgr + v for me. And AltGr is on the spacebar 12:00
timotimo *on* the spacebar?
that's interesting
AlexDaniel yes
and v is of course dvorak v… ;)
timotimo where did you move the space key?
AlexDaniel timotimo: I moved it to 無変換 12:01
timotimo what :) :) :)
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AlexDaniel timotimo: the key on the left of the spacebar: auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions....z27972.jpg 12:02
timotimo cool
that's a really tiny spacebar
but that's normal in chinese-and-nearby areas?
zengargoyle hehe
AlexDaniel I have no idea. I live in Estonia 12:03
zengargoyle japanese
timotimo OK 12:04
AlexDaniel I just figured that the only way to get more thumb keys for a laptop keyboard is to get a japanese one
zengargoyle old language study partner swore by the thumb keys for conversions.
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timotimo mhm 12:05
timotimo very good at distinguishing chinese and japanese, clearly
zengargoyle vs the many who actually use standard US type keyboards and IME
might be a generational thing.
AlexDaniel timotimo: by the way, altgr+.oeu (qwerty esdf) is what I use for arrow keys. 12:06
timotimo that's what i have, too
AlexDaniel nice 12:07
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timotimo and altgr uiojklm,. and space are 7894561230 12:07
AlexDaniel timotimo: ;{[?("|<“ 12:08
I figured that I use those more frequently than numbers :)
(reaching for a number row is way too hard ;) ) 12:09
timotimo and of course 90ßpö- are /*-+,;
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timotimo and on n i have a : for those pesky ipv6 addresses 12:09
zengargoyle eek, you people are crazy. :)
timotimo sadly, though, no abcdef nearby, i have to drop the modifier for that first 12:10
zengargoyle learned to touch type 30 years ago in HS and couldn't possibly do such remappings w/o going mad.
AlexDaniel yeah, I should make : more reachable
timotimo that's not "do remappings", that's just "setxkbmap de neo" 12:11
AlexDaniel (currently requires altgr+shift, which is fine because both are thumb buttons, but anyway)
[Coke] yawns.